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Tinker



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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2004 10:44 am    Post subject: what defines a RenFair? Reply with quote

Bristol is now going the way of KC and King Richard's by allowing fantasy characters like fairies and elves, and by ditching any pretense of historical accuracy. Is this good? Should a Renaissance Fair try to depict the Renaissance to some degree, or should it just be a costume party with music and entertainment?
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Curt



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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2004 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I wanted fairies and elves I'd play D&D. Wait, I do play D&D. I still don't want them at the fair, unless they are contained, say in the Kids Kingdom or a Fairie Forest.
I liked the historical aspect of the faire, but I won't get too bent out of shape about this. They've done worse things. Shocked
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Jim



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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2004 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately fairs are going more to being only about the dollar. Granted there nothing wrong with making a buck but they been following the cultural trends for a long time. A couple things that come to mind at both KC and Scarbough (outside of fantasy creatures) is pirates and the fair workers themselves dressing in the wrong periods. Now I do live with and am married to a wonderful woman with a master in history and her area of specialty is the reigns of Henry VIII thru Elizabeth I. She can be quite vocal about the things that are just wrong (to me, she will not critize anyone who doesn't ask her option).

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Molly



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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2004 2:01 pm    Post subject: Call it what it is Reply with quote

I know that "Ren Faire" is a term that encompasses many different types of shows, but I was always proud of Bristol for being a "true" Ren faire: an historically accurate (as much as possible) portrayal of the times. King Richard's in Boston has never even pretended to be historical, thus they are a "fantasy faire". Nothing wrong with that. I really enjoyed that show.
Go a few more centuries back and you get the medieval, or King Arthur faires. They all fall under the "ren-faire" umbrella, but Bristol seems to be losing it's sub-catagory identity. It's no longer historical. It's not quite fantasy, and it's definitely not Medeival.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always saw Bristol as a place where you could spend the day with historical accuracy or not as you chose. (of course this is comming from a person who doesn't know all the little historical things about the time period that someone die-hard might). I only went once last summer and was sort of surprised to see Robin Hood having an audience with the queen. I think that Bristol would do well to keep its historical aspect and not degenerate into something esle. There are faires for people who want that type of thing. Bristol has made its popularity by being historical, and I do think that this very fact should speak for itself.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's always been a balancing act for Bristol. Too many anachronisms and it becomes a parody of itself. Too much historical authenticity and, oops, no more toilets. As merchant Janet Thatcher once said, "They want authenticity? Fine, I'll throw my slops in the street."

Frankly, even the vastly popular jousts aren't historically accurate for the Elizabethan era. But somewhere between the WWF and the museum is a nice compromise. Bristol has pizza, Pepsi and ATMs, and no one seems to mind. It's just when you encourage ignorance that there becomes a problem, and Americans are notoriously ignorant of any history of any country.

That's why you did NOT see Robin Hood at BRF last year. You saw a 16th century outlaw who was taking his inspiration from the 12th century outlaw and assuming his name. That's how they got around the obvious anachronism.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That's why you did NOT see Robin Hood at BRF last year. You saw a 16th century outlaw who was taking his inspiration from the 12th century outlaw and assuming his name. That's how they got around the obvious anachronism.
Aha, well that at least makes sense. I totaly agree with you about encouraging ignorance. That is really what worried me. Things like ATM's don't bother me (what are you going to do if you need cash? Will they really let you work for your food??) and who wants to go without toilets. BUT everyone knows that these things are not historical. There could be people who forget that Robin Hood was in a completely different era than Queen Elizabeth. I mean even I don't really know history the way I should... It is nice to have a blend, just so long as it is an honest one.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 12:49 pm    Post subject: Fae Reply with quote

If it's legitimate to have Cardinals running around in full vestment, then certainly there should be room for the sidhe.

"Historical" includes far more than what was politically correct at the time!
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Molly



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 9:20 pm    Post subject: irishbain Reply with quote

Actually Cardinals have not run rampant at Bristol for years. That's a shame. They were so entertaining! Now we have Puritans. Almost as entertaining, but not quite as elegant as Cardinals.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 8:55 pm    Post subject: Puritans Reply with quote

I've always enjoyed Bristol, but have on occasion found that the Puritans can be overwhelming. One young lady who was comfortably dressed for the day in modern shorts and tube top was harrassed so by a group of these kindly gentleman as to burst into tears. Enough is enough. Historical accuracy can go at that point. But that's just my opinion. Keigh
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